In his new book "CRIMES AGAINST NATURE" RFK.Jr, God bless him and his family, is a pure environment lunatic. He believes, perhaps having misunderstood Orwell, that America is a crony-Capitalist or fascist state where we have pollution simply because industry pays off politicians. He swears up and down that this is exactly true with a child like enthusiasm that makes you believe the mercury level in his brain is as high as he says it is.
His theory is that a company will, for example, pay a politician $1 million to, in effect, buy a law or regulation that will enable it to save many millions on the cost of pollution control. According to basic Econ. 101 this theory is just plain goofy since a company passes on all its costs to consumers, i.e., if FORD has to put 4 wheels, an airbag, and a catalytic converter on every car it doesn't really care because the customer obviously pays for these things. However, a company would always care about costs if it fears its' customers can't afford to pay them. So if Ford fears that its customers can't buy cars, which presumably they use to take the kids to school, get themselves to work, and visit granny in the old folks home, one might more accurately say they are saints rather than Fascist polluters.
Moreover RFK Jr. is such a single minded and devout tree hugger that he presumes to know exactly what pollution controls he wants the gov't to force down our throats. This actually is a fascist attitude! He doesn't care about business or consumers. He cares about himself. He wants to further control mercury, for example, which many say is controlled, while 40 million Americans kill themselves and others with cigarettes. He wants to control lead while 60 million Americans kill themselves with fast food and obesity. RFK Jr. does not care about what a free people want and can afford, he cares, in his Fascist way, with only what he wants.
9.17.2004
REFORMING A NYC WOMAN
ok, now that I know you meant to write to me, there's a few things I'd like to say. I may not be as eloquent in the written word as you but....
TED***** great but I think you are starting on the wrong foot by not responding to exactly what I said. You don't get to the truth when two people go off in different directions. In a debate you have to respond to what the other person says. Its exactly like being on the witness stand in court. You have to answer the question or be held in contempt of court. But, since you went off on a tangent, below I will attempt to get us back on track by answering each of the issues you raise below.
Some of what you wrote really pissed me off.
TED******emotions are nice in bed but they will only distract you here.
But, I must admit there was some of what you said that, I actually agreed with; like, yes, it is good to read and learn something other than what you know and agree with.
TED******great :-)
But, dear Ted... why support something or someone who is leading us down such a dangerous, isolationist path?
TED*******just name calling with no evidence. I think Kerry is dangerous, for example, but that is not an argument and doesn't help you see the wisdom of Bush.
If you can just quickly, simply explain to me why..... we went to war with Iraq?
TED*****ok 1) we were already at war with Iraq: they fired at our planes every day as we protected the Shiites in the south from further slaughter and the Kurds in the North from further slaughter. The Europeans silently loved this continuation of Gulf War 1 because it ensured their oil supply and freed them from the responsibility of attempting to stop the slaughter themselves, which undoubtedly they would not have had the courage or ability to do, any more than they had it in Bosnia. In the end, finishing a war is the usual and obvious course of history.
2) Saddam would not account for the WMD's he had used to slaughter the Kurds in Hilabja, he played cat and mouse with the UN inspectors about WMDs as if he had something to hide, all the West's intelligence services reported that he had WMD's; so it was highly reasonable to assume he had them, and for us to attack him rather than wait around for another 9/11.
3) This is especially true when he had been obviously aggressive across international borders before as he was by invading Iran, Kuwait, attacking Israel with Scuds, paying the family of suicide bombers in Palestine, attempting to assassinate an American president, hosting Abu Nedal and other terrorists, and promising to activate terrorist cells planted in America.
4) This is also especially true when we know for sure that if he didn't actually have WMD's he was nevertheless an ultra deadly mortal enemy who could redevelop WMD's or pass on the ability to redevelop them to other of our mortal enemies. In an age where a jet plane can be a WMD or one beer can full of weaponized anthrax can make the entire East Coast of the US unlivable for 100 years, we can assume attacking Iraq was necessary.
5) Saddam was a deadly and real enemy 100 times more obvious and deadly than Osama Bin Laden which explains why we were at war with Hussein and not Bin Laden.
6) Accordingly after 9/11 a preemptive strike against Hussein was 100 times more rational than a preemptive strike would have against Bin laden on 9/10 or the Japanese on 12/6/41.
7) Saddam was a mass murderer or WMD within his own country. While the Europeans feel no moral obligation or compulsion to react purposively to this, America does, as the last best hope for freedom on earth. It is sad but understandable that the old world can merely look on jealously and resentfully as the new world takes care of business. I suppose we figure the old world has been rendered unable to fight and morally neutered by century after century of internecine slaughter to no end whatsoever accept perhaps to destroy any ability to care about right and wrong.
8) War in general is necessary from time to time to demonstrate a willingness to die for what you have and/or believe in. Without this demonstration others who are willing to die will take everything you have. The Democrats showed in the 90's, through successive terrorist attacks, that we in America preferred the easy life of Coca Cola, Oreo cookies, and Plasma TV's to fighting and dying in defense of freedom. Were it not for the Republican willingness to finally fight and die the terrorists would have eventually been sitting in our living rooms watching our Plasma TV's while John Lennon, the Europeans, and the Democrats would have been responding "give peace a chance"
9) War with Iraq served notice on all the world's terrorists that through their very presence they can bring about the destruction of their host country and the presence of America troops on their sacred soil. Further, it serves notice on the world's gov'ts that by hosting terrorists they can bring about the their own destruction and the presence of American troops on their sacred soil.
10) As America has introduced and maintained freedom and capitalism around the world, technology has developed and proliferated. The war in Iraq serves notice on the world that the U.S. is prepared to accept its responsibility to stop virulent forms of technology from spreading to uncivilized countries, groups, or individuals.
11) John Kerry at this point should be more despised than Bill Clinton ever was for his disingenuousness. Kerry took the podium at his nominating convention by saying, "reporting for duty" as if he eagerly wanted to lead the nation in battle and was well suited to do so. In truth he is a long haired hippy, war protester, flower child, peace freak who spent 4 months in Vietnam (where he exaggerated his heroism, at best), and then spent 35 years protesting his experience, the military, and voting against every weapons system and defense/intelligence budget that he ever saw. If he was running for commander-in flower child after the second coming of Christ you'd say fine, but commander-in-chief during a world war, you'd say this is the greatest act of hypocrisy in American history. Kerry said, "reporting for duty" and the nation is now saying, "we don't believe you" based on your own history.
Why was the sickness of Sept. 11th not reciprocated against those that caused it?
TED******above
I don't want the answer that this administration was able to use the attack and all the horror of it, to scare us into bombing another country that may or, may not have had anything to do with what happened.
TED*******Iraq was as evil as Afghanistan and seemingly was a far greater threat than Afghanistan ever was. Iran is now a similar threat and so is North Korea. The British burned Washington, DC in 1813 the Japanese destroyed Pear Harbor in 1941 because we waited. World history is filled with surprise attacks. Evil exists.
And now we know that Iraq had nothing to do with the attack on us.
TED*******above
How do you justify 2,000, plus another 1,000 Americans killed since that day, in a war that makes no sense?
TED*******above
And, dare we count the lives of innocent Iraqi citizens since we invaded their country for... what???
TED*********above Lots and lots of money from our government has been poured into a war that doesn't make sense to me.
TED*****above
Lives have been taken in a war that doesn't make sense to me.
TED*******above
If.... and it's a big If, the answer is commerce related, then I'll just puke now.
TED*******nothing whatsoever to do with commerce if you think so you forgot to explain how??
And why do so many Americans believe and even like a president who can't talk straight?
TED*******he seems to talk far straighter than Kerry but you forgot the evidence again?
A man who won't debate or, even talk without a script written by someone else?
TED********Kerry hasn't held a press conference in 36 days now because he too is afraid despite his fancy education.
A man who cannot think for himself even when someone whispered into his ear that planes were being used as weapons on buildings in NY?
TED********Kerry has said that he too sat paralyzed for an hour, and so did I in fact
He sat there.... until someone told him what to do.
TED*********7 minutes according to Moore. I didn't even believe what I was hearing for an hour.
A man who comes from such a powerful family that his election to the highest office in the country came as a 'gift' to him from his relatives and friends??
TED********you have presented no evidence of that
The power of the Bush family truly scares me.
TED*******you haven't explained what power they have?? except that people like them and vote for them??
The Kennedy's pale in comparison.
TED*******you forgot the evidence?
You're right that the 'bump' in the polls for Bush was large because of the fancier, slicker convention. Even I watched their convention and didn't watch the democrats' convention. The republicans were far more entertaining.
TED*******I didn't say it was just because they were slick. The Republican message is very traditional American and people related to it as do I. The Democrats don't know whether they are communists or Americans. Kerry says he supports the war but I don't think many believe him and he constantly changes his mind as if he's too stupid to decide.Then he talks about balancing the budget (American) while at the same time talks about even more socialist programs. He's confused, while Bush likes basic American values and is not afraid to defend them around the world. If you did not want to attack Iraq would you have even been willing to attack Hitler when it was Japan that attacked us??
Republicans are even thinking of amending the Constitution to allow foreign born residents to run for president.
TED********and???
Even if they (he) has a record of degrading women and minorities....but that doesn't count.
TED******not as much as his ability to electrify the masses in support of the basic American values that sustain the world and are now being copied by most of the civilized world.
As long as he can win the crowd with stupid innuendos and written movie script quotes... the "rags to riches" story that he pretends to use
TED********he is not pretending, it is a true story about freedom in America.
to propel him into the "American dream" is wasted on such a conniving, materialist individual.
TED*******there is nothing conniving about corroborating American values. It is the most sacred gift one can offer the world. Another thing... how can the sitting administration not only
TED********he is being prosecuted and will go to jail. But please keep in mind that this is a free country but becomes less free if the gov't leads you to believe that it can exert a communist like control on commerce such that you will won't have to worry about how you spent or invest your money. Don't forget that the incredible wealth capitalism has generated comes precisely from allowing a free people to pick and choose where they spend their money.
then, allow them to merge with another, "better liked" company like MCI then....
TED********if they were allowed to die there would be no telephone/computer service in this country.
.AWARD them one of the largest telecommunication deals in the world?
TED********again, you didn't really want them to die
How does this go unnoticed by the majority of people in this country?
TED******Democrats always think they notice more when really then notice less.
I could talk about the differences the parties have in areas of a woman's right to choose;
TED*******choozing to kill a baby is at least debatable isn't it?
scientific stem cell research;
TED*******I'll agree with you there but its still debatable
allowing stupid, horrible assault weapons back into the street marketplace;
TED******the gov't can't defend us from terrorists. They broke in to the British Parliament yesterday. I want an assault weapon more than ever now.
tax cuts (ha ha );
TED********American is supposed to be a free country and I know of no way to keep us freer of gov't than by cutting taxes. Its like cutting off the blood supply to a cancerous tumor. In this case a tumor that has grown for 200 and still the Democrats want nothing more than to see it grow forever. Aren't they really communists??
Individual rights or, the lack thereof with the 'Patriot Act',,,, with it's ambiguous definition which the average American knows NOTHING about.
TED*****don't know what you mean really. Before the Patriot Act a terrorist merely had to get a new cell phone to avoid gov't wire tapping. Now the tap flows with the terrorist not with the phone that is in the garbage.. You know what? I'm going to stop. I have no idea why this and/or you got to me.
TED*******NYC is 100% liberal but no one knows why. Its a religion that is not thought about, just taken for granted as pure gospel. When I seemed sure it was pure stupidity it naturally struck you. At least that's my guess.
But you/it did.
TED******good
I like to learn Ted.
TED*******yes i hope so but there is that part of you that bought the NTYTIMES because an article said what you wanted to hear.
I love learning. I love smart people talking about important things.
TED******did you know that Republicans are certain that Democrats are dumb??
But, I don't like blind allegiance.
TED*******well if you are a female in NYC who is a liberal then you are the same as 97% of NYC women.
This sitting party in our country's government is scaring me.
TED*******not any more I'll bet?
And, people who agree and fight for them.... scare me even more.
TED*******you mean I scared you before I pointed out the logic of Republican positions? I know that eventually, I'm going to read your book. But, I also know that I'm not going to agree with you.
TED********what?? its like saying I won't agree that 2+ 2=4??? If you try to refine your thinking you will.
I'm happy that you've had success with it. You should be proud of that.
TED*******Yes yes
But, please don't count me as someone who will blindly vote for whomever it is in power
TED********did I ever say I would do that??
when they don't give a shit about the average American person
TED******what evidence of that is there??
-- the men and women who are giving their lives for what some nut in the White House is telling them is right.
TED*******above
We are losing a big chunk of our children to this ridiculous war so that a few, high powered, well placed (bred) people can benefit from it.
TED*******what evidence of that is there??
shit.... I'm sorry I took so long with this.
TED*********not a problem at all, the question now is do you have the courage to become a Republican or do you go on as a Democrat out of pride knowing that it is weak thinking at best . again, I hope you're well.
TED*******I hope you are well too and I'll always like you even if you are a Democrat
TED**********Ted/patty
TED***** great but I think you are starting on the wrong foot by not responding to exactly what I said. You don't get to the truth when two people go off in different directions. In a debate you have to respond to what the other person says. Its exactly like being on the witness stand in court. You have to answer the question or be held in contempt of court. But, since you went off on a tangent, below I will attempt to get us back on track by answering each of the issues you raise below.
Some of what you wrote really pissed me off.
TED******emotions are nice in bed but they will only distract you here.
But, I must admit there was some of what you said that, I actually agreed with; like, yes, it is good to read and learn something other than what you know and agree with.
TED******great :-)
But, dear Ted... why support something or someone who is leading us down such a dangerous, isolationist path?
TED*******just name calling with no evidence. I think Kerry is dangerous, for example, but that is not an argument and doesn't help you see the wisdom of Bush.
If you can just quickly, simply explain to me why..... we went to war with Iraq?
TED*****ok 1) we were already at war with Iraq: they fired at our planes every day as we protected the Shiites in the south from further slaughter and the Kurds in the North from further slaughter. The Europeans silently loved this continuation of Gulf War 1 because it ensured their oil supply and freed them from the responsibility of attempting to stop the slaughter themselves, which undoubtedly they would not have had the courage or ability to do, any more than they had it in Bosnia. In the end, finishing a war is the usual and obvious course of history.
2) Saddam would not account for the WMD's he had used to slaughter the Kurds in Hilabja, he played cat and mouse with the UN inspectors about WMDs as if he had something to hide, all the West's intelligence services reported that he had WMD's; so it was highly reasonable to assume he had them, and for us to attack him rather than wait around for another 9/11.
3) This is especially true when he had been obviously aggressive across international borders before as he was by invading Iran, Kuwait, attacking Israel with Scuds, paying the family of suicide bombers in Palestine, attempting to assassinate an American president, hosting Abu Nedal and other terrorists, and promising to activate terrorist cells planted in America.
4) This is also especially true when we know for sure that if he didn't actually have WMD's he was nevertheless an ultra deadly mortal enemy who could redevelop WMD's or pass on the ability to redevelop them to other of our mortal enemies. In an age where a jet plane can be a WMD or one beer can full of weaponized anthrax can make the entire East Coast of the US unlivable for 100 years, we can assume attacking Iraq was necessary.
5) Saddam was a deadly and real enemy 100 times more obvious and deadly than Osama Bin Laden which explains why we were at war with Hussein and not Bin Laden.
6) Accordingly after 9/11 a preemptive strike against Hussein was 100 times more rational than a preemptive strike would have against Bin laden on 9/10 or the Japanese on 12/6/41.
7) Saddam was a mass murderer or WMD within his own country. While the Europeans feel no moral obligation or compulsion to react purposively to this, America does, as the last best hope for freedom on earth. It is sad but understandable that the old world can merely look on jealously and resentfully as the new world takes care of business. I suppose we figure the old world has been rendered unable to fight and morally neutered by century after century of internecine slaughter to no end whatsoever accept perhaps to destroy any ability to care about right and wrong.
8) War in general is necessary from time to time to demonstrate a willingness to die for what you have and/or believe in. Without this demonstration others who are willing to die will take everything you have. The Democrats showed in the 90's, through successive terrorist attacks, that we in America preferred the easy life of Coca Cola, Oreo cookies, and Plasma TV's to fighting and dying in defense of freedom. Were it not for the Republican willingness to finally fight and die the terrorists would have eventually been sitting in our living rooms watching our Plasma TV's while John Lennon, the Europeans, and the Democrats would have been responding "give peace a chance"
9) War with Iraq served notice on all the world's terrorists that through their very presence they can bring about the destruction of their host country and the presence of America troops on their sacred soil. Further, it serves notice on the world's gov'ts that by hosting terrorists they can bring about the their own destruction and the presence of American troops on their sacred soil.
10) As America has introduced and maintained freedom and capitalism around the world, technology has developed and proliferated. The war in Iraq serves notice on the world that the U.S. is prepared to accept its responsibility to stop virulent forms of technology from spreading to uncivilized countries, groups, or individuals.
11) John Kerry at this point should be more despised than Bill Clinton ever was for his disingenuousness. Kerry took the podium at his nominating convention by saying, "reporting for duty" as if he eagerly wanted to lead the nation in battle and was well suited to do so. In truth he is a long haired hippy, war protester, flower child, peace freak who spent 4 months in Vietnam (where he exaggerated his heroism, at best), and then spent 35 years protesting his experience, the military, and voting against every weapons system and defense/intelligence budget that he ever saw. If he was running for commander-in flower child after the second coming of Christ you'd say fine, but commander-in-chief during a world war, you'd say this is the greatest act of hypocrisy in American history. Kerry said, "reporting for duty" and the nation is now saying, "we don't believe you" based on your own history.
Why was the sickness of Sept. 11th not reciprocated against those that caused it?
TED******above
I don't want the answer that this administration was able to use the attack and all the horror of it, to scare us into bombing another country that may or, may not have had anything to do with what happened.
TED*******Iraq was as evil as Afghanistan and seemingly was a far greater threat than Afghanistan ever was. Iran is now a similar threat and so is North Korea. The British burned Washington, DC in 1813 the Japanese destroyed Pear Harbor in 1941 because we waited. World history is filled with surprise attacks. Evil exists.
And now we know that Iraq had nothing to do with the attack on us.
TED*******above
How do you justify 2,000, plus another 1,000 Americans killed since that day, in a war that makes no sense?
TED*******above
And, dare we count the lives of innocent Iraqi citizens since we invaded their country for... what???
TED*********above Lots and lots of money from our government has been poured into a war that doesn't make sense to me.
TED*****above
Lives have been taken in a war that doesn't make sense to me.
TED*******above
If.... and it's a big If, the answer is commerce related, then I'll just puke now.
TED*******nothing whatsoever to do with commerce if you think so you forgot to explain how??
And why do so many Americans believe and even like a president who can't talk straight?
TED*******he seems to talk far straighter than Kerry but you forgot the evidence again?
A man who won't debate or, even talk without a script written by someone else?
TED********Kerry hasn't held a press conference in 36 days now because he too is afraid despite his fancy education.
A man who cannot think for himself even when someone whispered into his ear that planes were being used as weapons on buildings in NY?
TED********Kerry has said that he too sat paralyzed for an hour, and so did I in fact
He sat there.... until someone told him what to do.
TED*********7 minutes according to Moore. I didn't even believe what I was hearing for an hour.
A man who comes from such a powerful family that his election to the highest office in the country came as a 'gift' to him from his relatives and friends??
TED********you have presented no evidence of that
The power of the Bush family truly scares me.
TED*******you haven't explained what power they have?? except that people like them and vote for them??
The Kennedy's pale in comparison.
TED*******you forgot the evidence?
You're right that the 'bump' in the polls for Bush was large because of the fancier, slicker convention. Even I watched their convention and didn't watch the democrats' convention. The republicans were far more entertaining.
TED*******I didn't say it was just because they were slick. The Republican message is very traditional American and people related to it as do I. The Democrats don't know whether they are communists or Americans. Kerry says he supports the war but I don't think many believe him and he constantly changes his mind as if he's too stupid to decide.Then he talks about balancing the budget (American) while at the same time talks about even more socialist programs. He's confused, while Bush likes basic American values and is not afraid to defend them around the world. If you did not want to attack Iraq would you have even been willing to attack Hitler when it was Japan that attacked us??
Republicans are even thinking of amending the Constitution to allow foreign born residents to run for president.
TED********and???
Even if they (he) has a record of degrading women and minorities....but that doesn't count.
TED******not as much as his ability to electrify the masses in support of the basic American values that sustain the world and are now being copied by most of the civilized world.
As long as he can win the crowd with stupid innuendos and written movie script quotes... the "rags to riches" story that he pretends to use
TED********he is not pretending, it is a true story about freedom in America.
to propel him into the "American dream" is wasted on such a conniving, materialist individual.
TED*******there is nothing conniving about corroborating American values. It is the most sacred gift one can offer the world. Another thing... how can the sitting administration not only
TED********he is being prosecuted and will go to jail. But please keep in mind that this is a free country but becomes less free if the gov't leads you to believe that it can exert a communist like control on commerce such that you will won't have to worry about how you spent or invest your money. Don't forget that the incredible wealth capitalism has generated comes precisely from allowing a free people to pick and choose where they spend their money.
then, allow them to merge with another, "better liked" company like MCI then....
TED********if they were allowed to die there would be no telephone/computer service in this country.
.AWARD them one of the largest telecommunication deals in the world?
TED********again, you didn't really want them to die
How does this go unnoticed by the majority of people in this country?
TED******Democrats always think they notice more when really then notice less.
I could talk about the differences the parties have in areas of a woman's right to choose;
TED*******choozing to kill a baby is at least debatable isn't it?
scientific stem cell research;
TED*******I'll agree with you there but its still debatable
allowing stupid, horrible assault weapons back into the street marketplace;
TED******the gov't can't defend us from terrorists. They broke in to the British Parliament yesterday. I want an assault weapon more than ever now.
tax cuts (ha ha );
TED********American is supposed to be a free country and I know of no way to keep us freer of gov't than by cutting taxes. Its like cutting off the blood supply to a cancerous tumor. In this case a tumor that has grown for 200 and still the Democrats want nothing more than to see it grow forever. Aren't they really communists??
Individual rights or, the lack thereof with the 'Patriot Act',,,, with it's ambiguous definition which the average American knows NOTHING about.
TED*****don't know what you mean really. Before the Patriot Act a terrorist merely had to get a new cell phone to avoid gov't wire tapping. Now the tap flows with the terrorist not with the phone that is in the garbage.. You know what? I'm going to stop. I have no idea why this and/or you got to me.
TED*******NYC is 100% liberal but no one knows why. Its a religion that is not thought about, just taken for granted as pure gospel. When I seemed sure it was pure stupidity it naturally struck you. At least that's my guess.
But you/it did.
TED******good
I like to learn Ted.
TED*******yes i hope so but there is that part of you that bought the NTYTIMES because an article said what you wanted to hear.
I love learning. I love smart people talking about important things.
TED******did you know that Republicans are certain that Democrats are dumb??
But, I don't like blind allegiance.
TED*******well if you are a female in NYC who is a liberal then you are the same as 97% of NYC women.
This sitting party in our country's government is scaring me.
TED*******not any more I'll bet?
And, people who agree and fight for them.... scare me even more.
TED*******you mean I scared you before I pointed out the logic of Republican positions? I know that eventually, I'm going to read your book. But, I also know that I'm not going to agree with you.
TED********what?? its like saying I won't agree that 2+ 2=4??? If you try to refine your thinking you will.
I'm happy that you've had success with it. You should be proud of that.
TED*******Yes yes
But, please don't count me as someone who will blindly vote for whomever it is in power
TED********did I ever say I would do that??
when they don't give a shit about the average American person
TED******what evidence of that is there??
-- the men and women who are giving their lives for what some nut in the White House is telling them is right.
TED*******above
We are losing a big chunk of our children to this ridiculous war so that a few, high powered, well placed (bred) people can benefit from it.
TED*******what evidence of that is there??
shit.... I'm sorry I took so long with this.
TED*********not a problem at all, the question now is do you have the courage to become a Republican or do you go on as a Democrat out of pride knowing that it is weak thinking at best . again, I hope you're well.
TED*******I hope you are well too and I'll always like you even if you are a Democrat
TED**********Ted/patty
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