To American liberals, the Voting Rights Act of 1964 is a very sacred cornerstone of the Civil Rights Movement. It is in the news a lot these days because it is coming up for renewal. Those who opposed it in 1964 were branded as racist, and it was largely a true charge, but today those who oppose it or who are indifferent to it are not easily branded as racist, in fact they are being very rational. To be sure, from a technical point of view, the “Act” was successful. Millions more voted and almost 7000 new Black office holders won elections immediately thereafter.
But, at almost the same time the Civil Rights Movement took hold in America, Black culture began to disintegrate almost as if a genocide were taking place. The Black family disappeared, meaning most kids grew up in poverty and in broken homes where love was a rare commodity, and more Black men went to prison than to college. In fact, Blacks are 12% of the general population and 52% of the prison population despite living in a nation far richer then it was prior to the sacred Civil Rights Movement. It was, in large part, a self inflicted near- genocide so no one was held responsible, let alone punished; in fact the civil rights mentality retains a perverse popularity among liberals even today. They must figure that good intentions count more than the near-genocidal results? Rational folks learned from all this what the Germans learned in the 1930’s, i.e., being able to vote does not mean you’re intelligent enough to vote for the right person.
Today the voting rights issue is primarily about whether Blacks, and the rest of us, need to have picture ID’s to qualify to vote. The center of the controversy is in Georgia where, to allay fears over past racism, the State has agreed to go to peoples’ homes to give them ID’s so they won’t have to worry about not having them in time to vote. The abject stupidity here is monumental. Blacks and their liberal friends fear the gov’t will prevent them from voting; yet when they do vote they unanimously vote for bigger more powerful gov’t with, in theory, the power to do what ever it wants, including impose stricter voter qualifications.
Secondly, as our founders understood Democracy, a picture ID was not nearly enough to qualify one to vote. The first qualification was always intelligence; it was defined, however vaguely, by age. For some reason people like Thomas Jefferson thought the idea of soliciting the political wisdom of a 10 year old in a voting booth did not make sense. But, Democrats from Andrew Jackson forward have sought to sell suffrage for votes. We have gotten to a point where intelligence, and even literacy, do not matter the slightest bit. Today the question is not if you have the intelligence to vote but merely if you have the ID to vote. With the "make every vote count initiative” from Hillary Clinton the Democrats even want every convicted felon to vote too (criminals are, surprise, 95% Democrats) , and this as they constantly scream ever louder at how all the dumb "red state” yahoos shout about family values despite four divorces, beleive Al Qaeda was connected to Iraq, and vote for Bush?
The sickeningly obvious truth here is that if we want an intelligent President and Congress we will need intelligent voters to elect them. A uniform national literacy test that is, race, gender, age, and financially neutral is the obvious solution. Then, an election would be an intelligent democratic exercise rather than a popularity contest among illiterates fought with handshakes and 30 second TV commercials. Of course, the Democrats object. If they can get elected with votes from criminals, illiterates, and those selling their votes for entitlement money, well, that’s a good enough democracy for a modern Democrat.
Yes, the Democratic strategy is slowly subverting our democracy, but, more importantly, it is an immediate threat to national security. Our Southern border remains wide open to nuclear, biological, and chemical, terrorists. Why? Because the Democrats profit most electorally from the constituency that wants the border open. It’s just that simple: votes and the power that comes from them matter more than anything to a Democrat.
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So you sit here and just complain about liberals all the time? It's the Republicans who are in power. "The Democrats profit most electorally from the constituency that wants the border open." So leaving the border open is the fault of the democrats, and the party that's in power can do absolutely nothing to close the border? Why aren't the republicans doing more to bring security to the border, aren't they the ones in charge? Or is it just eaiser to blame everything on the party that's not in power? Man, you really need to finish high school. You're really f**ked up!
If it was true that Republicans were in control we'd have privatized Social Security and Health Care, a genuine ownership society, a Balanced Budget Amendment, Tax reform, and many other reforms that increased freedom and decreased gov't. Do you get it now?
hi.
I just wanted to know if you had a source fo the one and only statistic you produce to prove your point.
Can you tell me where you have found the figure that "criminals are, surprise, 95% Democrats" ?
I would be happy to visit this source.
Thanks
Do you think Sen. Clinton would have supported the bill if those new felons who registered were going to vote for Republicans??
still no source for your statistics, you don't answer the question and go to personnal attacks.
and here I thought you were ready to debate your ideas
if you want to talk more efficiently: bje1000@aol.com
French student has a point...you are making an assumption about the number of Democratic votes in prison. That only weakens your argument. Your views would be taken more seriously if you would authenticate your numbers.
As far as voting is concerned, it is the right of the voter to vote for whom they feel will best represent them. It does not matter whether you or me or anyone agrees with it.
Also, blaming the flow of illegal aliens on Democrats is not the truth. Just a question to you. What party are the governors of New Mexico and Arizona? Those two governors have declared a state of emergency in their states about the illegal immigrant problem.
French student has a point...you are making an assumption about the number of Democratic votes in prison. That only weakens your argument. Your views would be taken more seriously if you would authenticate your numbers.
*******please give me a break, there are numerous initiatives all the time to increase registration among those who don't care to vote or are too stupid to vote and they are always sponsored by Democrats.
As far as voting is concerned, it is the right of the voter to vote for whom they feel will best represent them. It does not matter whether you or me or anyone agrees with it.
*******all agree so what???
Also, blaming the flow of illegal aliens on Democrats is not the truth. Just a question to you. What party are the governors of New Mexico and Arizona?
*******both Democrats
Those two governors have declared a state of emergency in their states about the illegal immigrant problem.
*******yes after 100 years Republican have made it enough of an issue that now we may act. Helicopter gun ships and land mines would do the job instantly and save live too. Al agree CA is now firmly in Democratic hands because Republicans tried to act on immigration from Mexico.
After a 100 years, the Republicans did nothing about it! Period! Nobody did! Not the left nor the right. So to blame it entirely on the left is wrong, especially since it is the left who is doing something about it when the right did not!
As far as the Democrats sponsoring bills to include everyone in the vote, there is nothing wrong with that. Whether I am going to vote or not is still my call. The Democrats want to make the option open to more people. What is your problem with that?
Your "so what" comment about my statement about the right of choice on the vote is also invalid. Your argument seems to be that the dumber you are, the more inclined you are to vote Democrat. How about instead of denying the right to vote to those who will most likely not vote for your political party, you reach out and show them why a vote for you is not a waste?
After a 100 years, the Republicans did nothing about it! Period! Nobody did! Not the left nor the right.
******the immigrants and their supporters are overwhelming Democrats-it's a simple concept to grasp. Wilson tried in CA and that was soundly defeated for it.
So to blame it entirely on the left is wrong, especially since it is the left who is doing
something about it when the right did not!
******to date no one had done anything about it
As far as the Democrats sponsoring bills to include everyone in the vote, there is nothing wrong with that.
********wrong, only smart people are supposed to vote.
Whether I am going to vote or not is still my call. The Democrats want to make the option
open to more people. What is your problem with that?
********only smart people should vote, only smart people should be teachers doctors voters etc. Its a very simple concept.
Your "so what" comment about my statement about the right of choice on the vote is also invalid.
********you forgot to say why??
Your argument seems to be that the dumber you are, the more inclined you are to vote
Democratic. How about instead of denying the right to vote to those who will most likely not vote for your political party, you reach out and show them why a vote for you is not a waste?
********voting makes sense and Democracy makes sense when voters are smart. Surgery makes sense when the Doctor is qualified. Its a simple concept, but too hard for a Democrat to grasp.
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Posted by TheBuke to The Dumb Democrat at 8/25/2005 01:54:25 PM
define smart people otherwise than as "people who agree with the repulicans" please
Voting is not a job! It is a right of the citizens in a free society. Elected officials do not just represent the "smart" people. They represent everyone, that is why everyone has a say in it.
Besides if you define smart by a certain level of education, you will find that a larger number of degrees are held by Democrats. Therefore your misguided logic to prevent more Democratic votes is incorrect.
Voting is not a job! It is a right of the citizens in a free society. Elected officials do not just represent the "smart" people. They represent everyone, that is why everyone has a say in it.
******so should everyone have a say in who is your brain surgeon is?
Besides if you define smart by a certain level of education, you will find that a larger number of degrees are held by Democrats. Therefore your misguided logic to prevent more Democratic votes is incorrect.
*******I believe a voting qualification test would favor Republicans. This would be particularly so if also excluded those who were voting for programs that put money in their own pockets and were not concerned with the common good. It was extremely obvious that Demcorats are the ones marching for the current "no qualification" Voting Rights Act
smart people, according to the Constitution, are those who have reached the age of intelligence. We might go even further, but in exactly the same spirit, by defining smart people as those who pass a voter qualification test.
if this is the definition you are going to support, it seems to me the efforts to include all people that are of age would be a good thing.
If you put a qualification test, what are the criteria to this test?
who cares? everyone gets tested to qualify for everything. So it obviously can be done.
No, it is not obvious.
There are no reliable tests for intellignece. IQ is a joke, and there are no alternatives. I say IQ is a joke, so let me get you an example: the US made a study that proved that the average american IQ was higher than that of other ountries. A significant portion of the "basic knowledge" (one of the four criteria tested by the IQ test) questions were about baseball rules.
Since baseball is mostly an amercan sport, it is natural americans scored higher. If the sport had been, say, thai boxing, the thai would have looked smarter on this test. Sumo would have favored the japanese, etc.
If you put a qualification test to voting, the people deciding the criteria will be tempted to make criteria that favor their own party. Every president would tweak those criteria to improve his chances of his party staying in power. Poof, no more democracy.
No, it is not obvious.
There are no reliable tests for intelligence. IQ is a joke, and there are no alternatives. I say IQ is a joke, so let me get you an example: the US made a study that proved that the average American IQ was higher than that of other countries. A significant portion of the "basic knowledge" (one of the four criteria tested by the IQ test) questions were about baseball rules.
Since baseball is mostly an American sport, it is natural Americans scored higher. If the sport had been, say, thai boxing, the thai would have looked smarter on this test. Sumo would have favored the Japanese, etc.
********we were talking about a qualification test not an IQ test
If you put a qualification test to voting, the people deciding the criteria will be tempted to make criteria that favor their own party.
*******well dummy suppose the people were half Republicans and half Democrats??
Every president
******so now the president is " the people"???
would tweak those criteria to improve his chances of his party staying in power. Poof, no more democracy.
since the presidents have influence on the election process, as proved by the continual reforms on it each time a new president comes into power, I assume the president would have an influence on the criteria. Replace "the president" by "the administration" if you like.
And even if you have democrats and republicans on the comitee, that leaves the independants out of it, and there is no law that states that there must be only two parties. If a third one comes into power, but those in charge refuse the right of thir supporter to vote, is it still a free country?
french student said... since the presidents have influence on the election process, as proved by the continual reforms on it each time a new president comes into power,
*******you forgot to say what the reforms are, because there are none
I assume the president would have an influence on the criteria. Replace "the president" by "the administration" if you like.
******a qualification test would obviously be designed and administered by a bipartisan body- this is obvious to an idiot
And even if you have democrats and republicans on the committee, that leaves the independents out of it,
******so you could put independents on it too-who would care? As usual you miss the point, all tests have the same problems but still it is common sense to have tests- get it now Frenchman!!!!!
and there is no law that states that there must be only two parties.
********did someone say there was such a law???
If a third one comes into power, but those in charge refuse the right of thir supporter to vote, is it still a free country?
*******why speculate on nonsense???
just to say this is the last comment I will post here. I came here because I also read and post on www.newshounds.us and I appreciate the debates there. I was hoping to find the same kind of debates on a mainly republican site. I have not foud what I looked for. No rational debates, name-calling aplenty, and your basic assumptions are just plain differnet than mine.
FRENCH STUDENT SAID:to say this is the last comment I will post here. I came here because I also read and post on www.newshounds.us and I appreciate the debates there.
*****they don't even pretend to be an intellectual site??
I was hoping to find the same kind of debates on a mainly republican site.
******you forgot to say what kind you found on newshounds??
I have not found what I looked for. No rational debates,
*******I think you are leaving because they were too rational for you Democratic mind
name-calling aplenty,
*******sorry but you deserved it, although I will admit you were very mature not to respond in kind
and your basic assumptions are just plain different from mine.
*******then you need to find someone who will explain rational basic assumptions to you.
If your point is that you want to debate with someone who has the same basic assumptions then you are saying you want someone who will agree with you. Get it now?
you are a student so luckily you have much time to kearn.
TheBuke said... Voting is not a job! It is a right of the citizens in a free society. Elected officials do not just represent the "smart" people. They represent everyone, that is why everyone has a say in it.
Ted said... ******so should everyone have a say in who is your brain surgeon is?
Since when are brain surgeons elected officials? Good grief you're stupid.
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