8.16.2005

WHY LIBERALS LOVE HIROSHIMA

Today, Hiroshima is loved by liberals because it is a place where, they believe , America did tremendous evil. They love to say America is the only country to ever have used nuclear weapons, and that it tells you something about America's essential character. The best of the weak arguments they make is that the war was almost over anyway, the Japanese we trying to surrender, and so there was no point in killing all those innocent people.

The truth is as follows:

1) The number killed at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was actually small (300,000) compared to the 60 million that the Japanese and their Nazi friends had killed in the entire war that they started.

2) We has previously fire bombed Tokyo and killed many more people than were killed by the later nuclear bombs, and nobody said much about it.

3) The Allies had firebombed Dresden a year earlier killing as many people as the nuclear bombs would kill, and no one said much about that either.

4) While it is true that the Japanese were trying to surrender at the time, the essential fact is that they were trying to surrender to the Russians who had not entered the war, and it was not an unconditional surrender. They wanted to conduct their own war crimes trials, and most importantly, they wanted to keep in place the Emperor and Military that had just killed 60 million people in their senseless, psychotic war of aggression.

5) Without the bomb, the US would have had to invade Japan itself in which case the death toll on both sides would have been 10-100 times what is was at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. On little islands like Iwo Jima and Okinawa we lost thousands of troops while the Japanese lost 10 times more, but still these were just tiny little garrisoned islands with about 1% of the troops we would have faced on Japan itself.

6) The Japanese always fought to the death, and often mutilated our soldiers to boot. They had planed an even more ferocious defense of the home land. Every man, woman and school child was taught how to fight and kill Americans in defense of the homeland. It was estimated that perhaps only 10% of the Japanese army had been engaged by the time of the proposed November invasion of Japan proper. The allies had won many battles but had not killed a significant percentage of Japanese troops.

7) Rather than face the loss of perhaps a million Allied soldiers during an invasion, America had developed a chemical arsenal of primarily, mustard gas, that if used would have killed millions of Japanese, far more than the nuclear bombs killed. There were also plans to drop 10 nuclear bombs at a time to clear landing areas, with an inestimable loss of life there too.

8) If the Japanese had a shred of sanity they never would have started the war. The thought of them surrendering without extraordinary nuclear losses was wholly unrealistic. They might have surrendered after Midway or after any one of the consecutive losses they suffered from Midway on, but they did not even surrender after the first nuclear bomb was dropped, or after the Russians( who had the largest standing army in the world by a factor of three) finally entered the war immediately after we dropped the first bomb, or even immediately after the second nuclear bomb was dropped.

9) After the first bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, the Russians entered the war in Manchuria and killed 100,000 Japanese in the first 3 days. Had we not dropped the second bomb, the Japanese seemingly would have fought on and lost more against the Russians alone than were lost to our tiny nuclear bombs.

10) At the time the war was ending, the Germans were sending the Japanese a dirty nuclear bomb to drop on San Francisco. Had allied intelligence not foiled this plan to nuke America, San Francisco might not be the liberal strong hold that it is today. All the liberals in San Francisco might thank God that we were able to use our nuclear bomb before the Japanese were able to use theirs on them.

11) After the first bomb was dropped, all plans continued for the proposed November invasion of Japan meaning that there was no reason at the time to think that even nuclear bombs were sufficient to stop the very psychotic Japanese.

12) Some liberals claim that we only dropped the bombs, killing all those innocent people, to signal to the Russians that they should not be too aggressive in the inchoate cold war, and that all it really accomplished was to trigger a needless arms race. The truth is: the nuclear bombs were an essential ingredient to end the war, and the arms race that followed kept the peace for 45 years until the Soviet Union finally collapsed of its own ideological stupidity. And, there was an arms race that might have destroyed all of civilization only because dumb liberals all around the world loved and spied for Stalin's caring Marxist ideology not knowing that it was really a deadly genocidal machine that was killing as many innocent people in the USSR as were killed everywhere in all of WW2.

So that leaves the question: why do the liberals love Hiroshima? Perhaps because they are neurotically desperate to find any excuse to hate America?

8 comments:

Anonymous said...

You are doing this just to inflammatory, right? I mean you can't take all this to heart. If all these people hate America, then why do they stay? It is possible to disagree with the government and still be patriotic, just as it is possible to feel guilt over actions most of us weren't able to affect.

Ted said...

Anonymous said... You are doing this just to inflammatory, right?
*******actually, just to tell the truth
I mean you can't take all this to heart. If all these people hate America, then why do they stay?
*******perhaps in their hearts they know they are dumb

It is possible to disagree with the government and still be patriotic,
*******sure but so what?
just as it is possible to feel guilt over actions most of us weren't able to affect.
*******sure but so what??? Next time why not at least try to comment on the substance of the blog article

Anonymous said...

Actually, the poster did comment the substance of the article. You posed one question the entire time, and it was "Why do liberals love Hiroshima?" Your answer was because it gives them an excuse to hate America. The poster commented on your idea that anyone who questions something that you apparently believe in hates this country.

I do not think dropping an atomic bomb on a country, regardless of reasoning is something to be celebrated. Yes the alternatives would have been worse. We choose the lesser of two evils in that case. Neither one of the choices (invasion of the mainland or atomic weapons) is a choice that someone wants to make, nor take pride in.

Also you claim that the number of lives lost by usage of the bombs was "small" compared to the deaths caused by the Nazi's and the Japanese during the war. 300,000 may be small compared to 60 million, but 300,000 is still a large number of people killed.

Ted said...

Actually, the poster did comment the substance of the article. You posed one question the entire time, and it was "Why do liberals love Hiroshima?" Your answer was because it gives them an excuse to hate America. The poster commented on your idea that anyone who questions something that you apparently believe in hates this country.
******no, my idea and Ronald Reagan's idea was that liberals in general hate most things that America does, while conservatives don't?

I do not think dropping an atomic bomb on a country, regardless of reasoning is something to be celebrated.
*******no one does so why bother to say it???

Yes, the alternatives would have been worse. We choose the lesser of two evils in that
case. Neither one of the choices (invasion of the mainland or atomic weapons) is a choice that someone wants to make, nor take pride in.
*******so???

Also you claim that the number of lives lost by usage of the bombs was "small" compared to the deaths caused by the Nazi's and the Japanese during the war. 300,000 may be small compared to 60 million, but 300,000 is still a large number of people killed.
*******I'm sure all agree but so what? The basic idea is that only dumb people hate America in general, and only dumb people hate the bombing of Japan.

Anonymous said...

It is not a hatred of what America does. It is saying that America, like everything else in the world makes mistakes and we should be held accountable. Not that using these weapons was a mistake in my opinion.

I said my comment about celebration for the use of nuclear weapons, because you seem to be happy in the fact that they were used.

You feel as though only dumb people hate the bombing of Japan. Well I feel that only dumb people are happy about it. Again, it is not hatred of your country if you are want the direction of the country changed for the better. This was the best choice for this situation, but still a bad choice.

Ted said...

It is not a hatred of what America does.
********you forgot to say what it is???

It is saying that America, like everything else in the world makes mistakes
******yes all agree but so what??

and we should
be held accountable.
******all agree but so what???

Not that using these weapons was a mistake in my opinion.
*********no idea what you mean????????

I said my comment about celebration for the use of nuclear weapons, because you seem to be happy in the fact that they were used.
********I don't recall saying I was happy???

You feel as though only dumb people hate the bombing of Japan.
*******I think that is true but so what???

Well I feel that only dumb people are happy about it.
*******only you are using the word happy

Again, it is not hatred of your
country if you are want the direction of the country changed for the better.
*******all agree but so what?? You are stating the obvious and proud of yourself for doing so??? Do you see why we think of Democrats as dumb???

This was the best choice for this situation, but still a bad choice.
********so


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Posted by TheBuke to The Dumb Democrat at 8/25/2005 01:58:54 PM

Anonymous said...

It is not a hatred of what America does.
********you forgot to say what it is???
-Read the next sentence for that answer

It is saying that America, like everything else in the world makes mistakes
******yes all agree but so what??
-That is not even a sentence, yet you use it all the time. However, what it is, is an explanation to your question in the first part.

Not that using these weapons was a mistake in my opinion.
*********no idea what you mean????????
-It means that in my opinion, using the weapons was not a mistake...you are in college...?

Again, it is not hatred of your
country if you are want the direction of the country changed for the better.
*******all agree but so what?? You are stating the obvious and proud of yourself for doing so??? Do you see why we think of Democrats as dumb???
-And you are proud of yourself for stating nonsense and unproven statistics. Well if it is obvious, why is it that you seem to have a problem with anyone who is for a change in the direction for the better? The current direction is not to good pal. And the American people believe that. 61 percent are against the President.

Ted said...

It is saying that America, like everything else in the world makes mistakes
******yes all agree but so what??
-That is not even a sentence, yet you use it all the time. However, what it is, is an explanation to your question in the first part.
*******All agree that America makes mistakes. So what??. You state the obvious and are proud of it, like a child showing what he left in the toilet bowl.

-It means that in my opinion, using the weapons was not a mistake...you are in college...?
*******ok so we agree, why bother to sate it????

-And you are proud of yourself for stating nonsense and unproven statistics.
******you forgot to say what nonsense etc???