7.08.2004

More debate with a Zionist

Nope, you have no argument and you refuse to think.
******ok lets see

You say the "Arabs were driven away.."--huh? Speak plainly and truthfully. No one was driven away. A partition plan was offered. The Jews accepted. The Arabs declared war. The Arabs simply did not find themselves in refugee camps and the Jews clearly did not put them there. Stop lying. Seek the truth.
*******Benny Morris has written the most thorough account of this and it clearly shows the Zionists were very involved in driving the Arabs out and in keeping them out. Benny Morris' 600 page book with complete documentation is really a mind blower for you isn't it? It cuts through the brain washing doesn't it, but are you brave enough to see a new honest world?

Obviously, if there was no war declared on the Jews, there would be no refugees.
*******There are 19th Century documents which referred to driving the Arabs out. Begin said in 1973 "we are liberating Judea and Sumeria according to biblical prophecy; not occupying it. Again truth cuts through the superstitious brainwashing doesn't it. Please show a little bravery David.

And it is no "irrelevancy" that Jews were kicked out of all Arab nations. You have it all upside down. The very fact that the Arabs who stayed put during the 1948 war live happily in Israel
*******they live happily despite hating the Zionists??

and those who sought to murder the Jews in their newly founded state went elsewhere is
no example of Genocide.
*********true, but that they are forced to live in concentration camps like environments on the West Bank and not allowed to return to their deeded property is. Additionally, the Zionists now want to steal the West Bank too.

23 Arabs states can still take them in and will not do it. The one Jewish State is still not
recognized by her neighbors but is asked to recognize a nonexistent and non-historical "people"--the Palestinians. But the Jews offer such recognition. They offer a Palestinian State with half of Jerusalem and the heartland of their state cut in half for the satisfaction of these thugs and Arafat still turns Barak and Clinton down. He turned Barak down and declared war yet again.
*******all true but not relevant to our conversation which as you will recall had to with a fair and practical peace plan for the region, i.e., a return to 1973 borders, a wall around those borders, and international defense.

If the lights go out in an urban area and some people decide to riot and plunder--they risk being arrested when the lights come back on.
******ture but so what?

Face it pal. The only solution you continue to offer to 5.5 million Jews living in their own state is to pack it up and leave.
****** you're like a brainwashed parrot. The peace plan is above!

The Jews have done everything else and done it consistently in 1935 and 1948 and 1967
and throughout the 1970s and most recently, as I cited with the latest rejection by Arafat to Barak's plan to given up almost everything back to the 1967 borders. Isn't any of this meaningful?
*******no, since it did not cause peace.

You keep referencing "superstition" as if it means something.
*******it must or it would not be in the dictionary?

Sovereignty is meaningful. Victory in war is meaningful. The League of Nations mandate
created many of the ME states and this is meaningful since it created a huge Jewish State--that the world subsequently rejected because it hates Jews. The UN Partion plan was meaningful but was summarily rejected by the Arabs. The 1970's brought more emphatic "No's" by all Arab parties. They still say no to a settlement that gives Israel a tiny sliver of land and a chunk of desert with few inhabitants--with half of the Jewish capitol given to the Arab side.
********yes all true but so what?? You take endless pleasure in racist comments about Arabs as if that makes Zionist aggression legal or moral.

They want it all. They have always wanted it all. They define "peace" as no Jews within their line of sight. This is why a Jew living peacefully in a home he has bought on land that belongs to no one else is an "obstacle to peace."
*******often the property was bought from Israel despite deeds help by Arab owners.

You side with the lawless hatred. You applaud the genocide and the suicide bombers.
You justify it all as a response to "Zionist aggression."
********If I ever did that I'm sure you"ll produce the quote to prove it very soon..... won't you???

You are beyond the pale.
*******closing with insults as usual

I'm done.
******you never started thinking

You will not offer one suggestion about how Israel can make it right.
********have always said a pull back to internationally established and recognized borders, international defense, a wall of separation, and payment to refugee camp survivors was the only viable solution. Please be brave David.

How many more times it must offer half of its own territory in return for the hope of peace. You make no suggestion that the Arabs owe any contribution to the cause of peace. It is all the fault of the Jews for living.
*******it is all the fault of the Jews for living??? That borders on paranoid insanity

Yes, we live
********did someone say you were dead???

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