Debating a Zionist!

No Ted--you have no logic. You assault logic--you defy it. It is your code of honor.

*******ah more name calling. It seems to be 80% of what you do. Glad you have a little fight left in you, but lets see what logic will do for you. Please do not be afraid to learn and think. Do you want to die just as your are or do you want to grow?

You use inflammatory language. You allege that the Jews commit GENOCIDE--- this is a particularly delicious strategy. Accusing the Jews of committing violence against others as violence was committed against themselves. Classic and very libelous.

*******if you read Benny Morris you will see that Golda Meir also found that the condition of the evicted Arabs reminded her of Hitler's Jews.

Then, you also reference "superstition" without regard to the fact that the superstitions of the Arabs CAUSE needless conflict and pain.

*****yes I think the Arabs are superstitious and dumb and cruel too but that does not change the peace plan to which you originally responded. You find it too painful to stick to the subject so you get lost in irrelevancy but always cling to your irrationality and superstition.

The world suffers over the Arab insistence that Jerusalem is somehow "Holy" to them.

You see holiness is not allowed to the Jewish people--only the Arabs.

******that is again very stupid, the UN and most of the world acknowledge that Jerusalem is an holy international city to which 3 religions, or superstitions, can lay legitimate claim to the extend that superstitions can be lay legitimate claim.

Fine--please....let the Arabs be holy and seek holiness.
******sadly that is their right;that is how freedom works

The trouble is that Jerusalem is
the capital of the Jewish state.

****** because you declared it so, despite the UN and the rest of the civilized world???

The Arabs claim it as their "third holiest site." But this is based on real superstition.
*******ah, so now you're distinguishing between real superstition and regular superstition?

The Dome of the Rock is by legend where Muhammad ascended to heaven in some mythical chariot. This is not history. It is rubbish. It was a mere slap to the Jews to place a large gold domed mosque right on top of the very real and the very historical Temple Mount where the Jewish people built two great temples. Further, the Mosque was created also as a slap against Christians that wish to have Jewish supremacy over the area. In fact, it is war. It is aggression.

*********please try to think just a little. Muslims, Christians, and Jews all have ancient superstitious claims in the Middle East but we aren't going to rearrange 21st Century borders to suit ancient superstitions. The Indians have a claim to Manhattan; in fact refugee movements populated the entire planet but this has nothing to do with modern internationally recognized borders.

What blame do you assign to the Arabs for this obvious provocation? The answer is none. Only Jews can provoke.

**********not at all, the Arabs attacked or provoked all along based of their superstitions and parochial natures but this does not relieve Zionists from their responsibility to do the right thing.

The genocide allegation is so void of any merit. It is so shocking that anyone could ever utter it.

*******the Arabs were driven out of Israel and now live in near concentration camps on the West Bank; this is close enough to genocide. The Jews don't kill the Arabs like we killed the Nazis because their guilt won't allow them too. They are guilty about Zionism and the world knows it. Israel still has right to exist however!

The fact of the matter is that the Jews have created a huge boom for Arabs in the Land of Israel.

******its also true that blacks who game here as slaves are now far better off than they would have been had they not been captured and brought here. But this does not justify slavery and has nothing to do a rational peace in the Middle East.

Before the Zionist movement in the late 19th C--there were very few Arabs in historic Palestine. Immigration of Jews spawned immigration of Arabs into the Land. Israel is now home to so many millions of Arabs whose ancestors necer THOUGHT of living on Jewish soil. Israel has created Arab life in the land--there are millions of Arabs now when just a 100 years ago, there were only a few hundred thousand.

*******the issue is about those Arabs living in Jewish created concentration camps who have deeds to property in Israel. I know you want to change the subject because the subject is beyond the reach of your superstitions.


So tell me, friend--what kind of genocide is this??

********only the concentration camps are genocide like; not modern Arabs in Israel or Blacks in America. The concentration camps like environment won't go away David!

Of course, any decent person understands that Jews once lived throughout the entire Middle Esat but were systematically murdered, driven from their homes and forced to immigrate to Israel--leaving their possessions behind.

******no one is disputing this so why mention it???

Now by law, it is illegal for a Jew to live in any Arab state, illegal for a Jew to own land, in some cases, illegal for a Jew to even visit a specific Areab State where his ancestors lived for 3000 years. This is very bad.

********yes all quite true but you could hardly be more irrelevant. Is there a peace plan in there that I missed or are you just flapping your gums because you have nothing to say??


You, sir are very scary.

********I'm sure logic frightens you to death.

How you can look at such a circumstance and blame the Jews while the biggest thugs in the world look blameless in your eyes.

*******silly ranting against the Arabs(although mostly true) for no purpose whatsoever.


Surely, if I was mugged on some street corner--I would not want you on the jury since you might logically convict me instead of my attacker.

******now there is a peace plan for the Middle East???


What did the Jews ever do to you?

*********they tricked America into starting WW3 to defend the Zionism.


Ted/David