The other night I sat down for dinner in the heart of liberal darkness (NYC) with an extremely well educated guest and found genocide to be the subject of conversation. In the course of a long conversation I asked my guest how he felt about imposing 19th Century American religious, marital values on Africa. He got very sullen as if I were crazy. He said, "I wouldn't think of imposing a probably outdated American institution on Africa." I responded, "then your position is, by default, the status quo which will result in about 30 million dead people over the next 30 years." He had no further response except what appeared to be extreme frustration.
He was such a committed American liberal feminist that when confronted with the theoretical choice between liberalism and genocide he elected genocide. It was a scary example of how hard it is to fight the brain dead bigotry of liberalism. Their position is not based on logic and so it is not possible to dislodge it with logic.
Years ago William Buckley Jr. was asked about why Ted Kennedy never appeared on his show. Buckley replied, "why does meat avoid a grinder". You hear the same sentiment from Republicans of all stripes. Liberals don't come out to think because they don't believe in thinking. They are genuine bigots who believe in nothing more than the superiority of their own feelings. Rush Limbaugh, for example, to pick a vastly different kind of conservative, notices the same phenomenon. He says he doesn't talk to liberals much because liberals don't call his show to defeat his positions with logic. It doesn't occur to them. Instead, a half million of them go to The Daily Kos where they spout off to each other like bigots at a Klu Klux Klan rally. Debate, deliberation, and democracy don't occur to them. A famous liberal philosopher(actually the actor George Cloony) once said liberals don't need the word "compassionate" in front of the their name to let people know that they care about people. Sadly, Mr. Cloony and the liberals are unable to understand that caring (didn't Marx and Mao care?) only matters if you learn to think about what you care about.
Nevertheless, I persisted with my dinner quest but this time from another tack. I asked him if he could wave a magic wand that would make every male in Africa want, as his primary goal in life, to love one woman, marry her, and raise their kids until death did they part, would he, or would he do nothing? He again said, "I would not even think of it." Again, he did not say of what he would think.
Indeed, he very neatly represented why America hasn't been able to help Africa: because of thoughtless, caring liberals. They have successfully divided America from its traditional conservative values and rendered us impotent on the world stage, even in the face of genocide. We can't promote family values that would save millions of lives because Democrats don't have family values. We can't intervene intellectually or militarily because Democratic pride compels Democrats to watch people die by the millions rather than impose the America values they hate so much. We can't have allies around the world to promote civilized values because liberal imperialism has rendered our would be allies impotent too. The American Republican religious right, then, remains as the primary and lone outpost of civilization on earth.
Out of guilt we at least do what the liberals will allow, but even then only by stealth. We give Africans medicine and mosquito nets (even liberals can't object to that) but certainly not values. For centuries, though, the world has done just that and it has never worked except to exacerbate the problems. Medicine and mosquito nets are merely the product of values, which means that Africans will always need a perpetually greater supply from us in the absence of their own maturing values. Interestingly, at the moment, the liberals are led by the rock star Bono of U2 fame who passionately believes that if only we will give 1% of our income to Africa it will finally solve their problem. But how do you explain to a perfectly uneducated liberal rock star and the politically correct liberal millions who follow him that money does not create American family values?
It must be the single greatest irony in all of human history that we have achieved true greatness relative to Africa in the most obvious way imaginable, and yet the liberals hate America so much they have made it politically incorrect and rude to say so, let alone to act so, even in the face of their ethnocentric genocide. The central role of Bono is perhaps testimony to the liberal need not to think about anything at all under any circumstances.
Betty Friedan, who died last week, is perhaps the one most responsible for the liberal feminist destruction of American values which has led to so many of our problems at home, and to our amoral liberal imperialism. In all the guilty praise heaped upon her last week, in the end there is one line most associated with justifying what she has done, i.e., "no one wants to go back". It was a way to acknowledge that going back was now a legitimate issue to consider despite how obvious going forward once seemed. Her main contribution to human evolution was to help women understand that to be be whole, authentic human beings, they had to establish an identity outside of their husbands, marriages and children. She claimed that women who existed merely within their families were compelled to soulfully ask, "is that all there is?"
Somehow the idea clicked for a lot of women who were somehow convinced that a superior identity could be had from modern widgets rather than from modern children. It was a new and better liberal value. So women, never married, divorced men and /or went to work. The kids were left behind to raise themselves or given loveless baby-sitters. Being abandoned was obviously not a great deal for kids. Oddly though, men got unintended messages from Betty too. Not only were they not important enough to be loved the old fashioned way, but kids weren't either. It was a double whammy for kids from the sensitive caring liberals, but at least Mom had some nice new clothes, a new job, and some widgets with which to round out her new, superior liberal identity, albeit at the expense of her meaningless children. Betty's public relations at the end included a defensive statement about what a loving mother and grandmother she really was. All the broken homes, child neglect, and virtual genocide in Africa that Betty left in her wake did not mean Betty wasn't a loving women it just meant that she loved widgets and kids equally, no matter what the liberal consequences. My dinner quest was proof positive of how deeply and unconsciously liberalism is now a tragic and integral part of our lives.
Ted Baiamonte
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To be honest Ted, I really cannot see the difference between your
imposed 'freedom' and the 'freedom' imposed by the left.
*********capitalism and freedom is a very very different thing from communism or totalitarianism
Calling it freedom does not make it so.
******no and I did not say it did but forcing people to earn their own living in voluntary relationships with others is freedom while forcing them onto a collective farm is not. Force can be used to push a person into jail or to push them out to freedom.
If you impose certain relationships
rather than free me from threats of force, how am I 'free'?
******the police always threaten force either to impose freedom or totalitarianism? no idea what you are talking about really
Convincing me that family values make sense might work (easy in fact
in my case, depending on the details of what you mean I may well
agree) but I think it is a mistake to think you can make people adopt
Christian values at gunpoint
*******that is in fact how they were imposed on people?? They did not appear by magic. The wonderful country we live in was almost completely formed by violence and certainly it is maintained by violence. As I said, it would last a day or two without the saintly police who are our greatest invention by far.
(not to mention the fact some folks will
shoot back (either by proxy via the political system or literally)).
*******in a democracy there is always room for politics and occasional shooting
I am not talking about libertarian fantasies
********of course you are that is exactly why you failed to describe where this dream land of yours is but the reality of civil society for the last few centuries when the state in the Anglosphere was tiny and regulated very little.
*******as I said police regulate completely every day and we are always one day away from total anarchy.
Capitalism comes from having
dynamic social structures that allow different theories to be tested
in markets and you cannot do that in a rigid politically imposed
society.
********capitalism is imposed at the point of a gun
I am all for laws and policemen but they do not 'impose'
freedom, they prevent disorder,
*********you impose freedom to prevent disorder- they are integral concepts
which is quite a different thing.
******if so you did not say how? The rigidity of your libertarian thinking prevents you from coming to grips with some basic realities
Unless you have an underpinning culture of liberty, liberty cannot be
imposed from above on unwilling people
*******if a gun will make someone a Nazi who will fight to a meaningless death it can obviously make him accept liberty a lot easier
(more is the pity perhaps, but
that is the truth).
As for policemen being what lies at the heart of markets, sorry but
several thousand years of history suggest otherwise.
*******but you failed to explain why you believe that?? there were no markets till 200 years ago and their brief appearance would end tomorrow without police
Most rules and
regulations in markets spring up from the needs of markets to
function,
********wrong, the essential concept of markets was discovered by Adam Smith and imposed by Jefferson. What did spring up was Adam Smith. Before his police imposed
capitalist markets other police imposed 1000s of wacky systems. To be technical you might say that Smith noticed how well freedom worked when by chance it was ignored by
police and flourished, but it was his intellect and force of will that organized the machinery of State to support it and protect it and let it grow.
not from laws past from states.
******you live in a dream land if you imagine that somewhere in time there was a libertarian state.
I do business
internationally where the reality is that 90% of deals are trust based
as there is no realistic way to use law to enforce contracts across so
many borders.
**********absurd, there are pirates all over the world and only the police prevent them from ruling the world???
Of course things can (and do) do wrong but on balance
it is possible to do business like that and people have done so since
Phoenician merchants sailed the seas long before Christ was born.
********all agree but so what?? this did not stop Hitler Mao, FDR, Stalin, Castro who had their own systems that they would have imposed had it not been for our superior police
This requires shared social expectations of trust (obviously with
varying degrees of success over history) but that is what happens at
the micro-level (ie. the social level).
**********agreed but so what
Sure, having a navy (such as
Rome for example) to stomp on pirates helps greatly but the markets
themselves cannot be imposed any more than liberty can be imposed,
*******I just explained that we beat Hitler and imposed freedom
both depend on a culture which has evolved to see an extended order
(i.e. trust beyond the familial unit) rather than remaining at an
atavistic family/tribal level.
******yes yes you sound like Marx dreaming about what will be when the state finally disappears and we all live together like silly hippies
Super-national economic institutions
like hawala could not have existed for centuries if all human
interaction was based on fear of the law rather than an expectation of
honesty.
*******yes yes of course some people always saw the benefits of freedom but the concept never took hold until our weapons were brought to bear on the problem. It was the shot heard around the world- remember??. If you want to argue that it was heard so well because it made sense to alot of people I will agree with you, but it clearly was not heard by Hitler Stalin Mao etc etc. who needed a lesson from our soldiers of liberty t prevent them from being the world.
Look at a stock market today: most rules are there because
the members of the stockmarket see them as facilitating trade, not
because the state imposes them.
*******I disagree, those bastards would destroy the system in a year if not for the threat of jail. They would literally steal the nation's entire pension money to make fees on investment banking, and they almost did. The perp walk is what they understand.
Order is in fact the natural state of things because people need
order,
*******so when a million years of human history culminated in HItler Marx and Stalin you admitted you had it exactly backwards???
and social mechanisms inevitably produce order one way or the
other...
*******yes in the case of Hitler Stalin and Mao it was after they killed about 200 million people. Personally I'd rather that our gov't had killed them before they killed 200 million. The order you're talking about must be on another planet I've never heard of. I'm talking about human beings on earth.
of course the policeman has a role in this
******yes to prevent total anarchy
but simply having
enforceable contracts does more for civilization that any imposed
relationship between family members
**********a family has a marital contract?? No idea what you are talking about there?.
has ever done (Muslim family
values for example are a paragon of rigidity and I would argue that
for all their lack of abortions, alcohol and pornography, they have a
third rate civilization on every level).
**********I agree but so what? would you say that with abortions porn and alcohol they would be more successful?
I care little for 'libertarian' labels, I am a classical liberal in
the Heyak mold really and see the evolutionary processes that have led
to the supremacy and wealth of the west as far too important to be
left to the manipulations of statists of the right or left.
********but you failed to say to whom they should be left and that is the problem you face isn't it??
Cheers,
Ted/Perry ...-
>Dear Ted,
>******Dear Perry
>
>I think we may disagree 100% on what society is.
>********I agree
>
>From my perspective
>your view that it is a consequence of political imposition is
>indistinguishable to me from the socialist world view
>*******no because Republicans would impose freedom while socialists would
>impose socialism
>
>
>because they view 'society' as a 'thing' that is simply a product of force backed
>impositions.
>*******agreed
>
>Unless I misunderstand you (which is entirely
>possible!), you actually agree with them,
>*********I do about imposing culture but not about what culture to impose
>
>you just want to be the one
>doing the imposing.
>*********yes that is true
>
>The way I see it, society is not a 'thing', it is an emergent property
>of millions of interacting individuals, much like a market.
>********a nice libertarian fantasy indeed
>
>If you
>can trust people, it is because there is a social basis for that
>trust, a tradition of regarding your word as your bond (ie. social
>values which people follow because they seem natural and right)...
>******I think without policeman to impose values our society would last a day or two
>
>however if you only trust in the law to prevent people from doing bad
>things, then there is only a political basis for anything and trust
>only extands as far as the nearest policeman
>*******exactly
>
>
>(and therefore that is
>not a society which is likely to survive shocks to the system or
>political dislocation).
>********well capitalism has survived many shocks that socialism hasn't
>because it imposes freedom and therefore seems to be respectful of the
>individual and so maintains the support of the broad mass of individuals
>whereas socialism does not have this quality and suffers accordingly.
>
>
>In other words, It seems to me that you
>disagree with Tom Paine and most of the USA's founding fathers that
>society and government are quite different things (see the opening
>paragraphs of 'Common Sense', 1776).
>******yes I agree with George Will who wrote Statecraft as SoulCraft. Paine
>was mostly rhetoric in support of war and a Constitution. If you need
>soldiers and citizens you tell them it is for gov't in their best interest,
>and in our case it was no lie.
>
>Yet this strikes me as a strange view for a conservative to take...
>family values, trusting people to keep their word, an assumption of
>decency are all things that spring from a *culture* that values such
>things,
>******yes and those values are codified in a powerful gov't with policeman
>
>not from laws requiring you to trust people
>*******remove the laws and remove the civilization
>
>(which is
>literally impossible)... such values come from the evolutionary
>process that a culture where these values are widespread have huge
>advantages over politically directed cultures
>********where on earth are these libertarian countries you dream about?
>
>(the empirical evidence
>on that is compelling).
>
>In short I would argue that these value emerge because they work and
>are not prevented from working by political impositions
>******you can look through human history and never see what you dream of emerging so why not concern yourself with the real world. I do agree that in
>many areas our gov't could be shrunk to a fraction of what it is but
>certainly not everywhere.
>
>
>(which brings
>us back to Africa as an extreme example of what happens when that is
>the case). When 'family values' are imposed, the result does not look
>like middle America, it looks more like Saudi Arabia.
>*******their family values are very different from ours??
>
>Many Democrats
>cannot see the very basis for the success of America is the culture,
>not the politics,
>******well it seems to me the culture was created by the church and the
>Constitution, not from spontaneous combustion as you dream.
>
>and thus I am surprised that you seem to actually
>agree with them that it is really all about the politics and the
>culture is just something that can be imposed (quite how in either
>case is unclear to me).
>******it was always imposed with the threat of death. That is why our policeman carry guns.
>
>To me political processes are far more likely to distort natural
>social processes because it seems clear to me that it IS natural to
>have 'family values' (which might not mean exactly the same things to
>me as it does to you) and most of the things conservatives claim to
>want.
>*********Margaret Mead argued very successfully that family was a stupid concept and not natural?? Not that I agree but certainly the liberal war on families is progressing well for them; if fact most young blacks today have no feeling for what you think of as a natural family.
>
>But you can neither bribe nor force people into a 'correct'
>culture
>******yes you must convince a majority or close to it that your concept is correct and good for them, and the rest must be forced to go along. In time the police face a diminished adversary as long as they keep that majority or
>grow it further.
>
>any more than you can distort free markets to do what they
>'should' do.
>********again a free market is only free as long as there are policeman to protect it and impose the rules
>
>
>50 years of left wing distortion of civil society will not be improved
>by 50 years of right wing distortion of civil society...
>******I disagree strongly, we had right wing distortion for the first 150 years and it completely transformed life on the planet in unimaginable and wonderful ways
>
>I think
>conservatives would be better off just stopping the hubristic left
>from subsidising fecklessness and replacing civil interactions with
>politically mediated interactions. Surely conservatives should trust
>society to sort itself
>******absolutely but within limits. The state started to support abortion and now we have the death of love and 1.5 million abortions a year. People
were free to kill babies and they did. Without imposed religion there would be no family and no civilization.
>
>out when the state is prevented for actively
>screwing things up in the name of making things better (which it never
>does of course).
>*******it seems to me that the United States produced the greatest State by
>a factor of 100??
>
>If a conservative does not believe in civil society,
>what exactly is he is trying to 'conserve'?
>******wisdom from the past
>
>
>
>Cheers,
>
>Perry ...-
>
>--
>The state is the great fictitious entity by which everyone seeks to
>live at the expense of everyone else
>- Frederic Bastiat
I agree with your analysis that pc hypocrisy prevents us from interveening in any helpful way in Africa. Imagine the chants of "1-2-3-4-We-Don't-Want-Your-Racist-War!" that would have resulted if we had used military intervention in Rwanda or Sudan! When, if anything, the neglect of Africa, is far more indicative of the deeply racist pessimism with which people dismiss Africa as hopelessly tribal, pathetic, hopeless, dependent. I find that very frustrating.
I disagree with you when it comes the blanket condemnation of Freidan, and -- if I misunderstood your position, forgive me -- by implication, feminism. I've lived in Africa. The cultural situation there is not caused by too many African men and women having read The Feminine Mystique. Most African societies are traditionally polygynous, and though not as atrociously sexist as the Middle East, traditionally favor an ideology of male supremacy. Yes, it would be an improvement, in my opinion, if monogamy came to replace this system (as, in fact, it is for the educated classes), but it would also help if men would use condems, and not believe in outrageous lies, such as that raping a virgin can cure them of AIDs.
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